Interview with Karl Stefanovic, Today Show

Karl Stefanovic, Host: Well, back to work for the Labor Government this week after partying like it was 1983. Well, we all like a party, don't we? Or is it just me? Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong joins us now live from Adelaide to discuss. Penny, good morning to you. How was it?

Penny Wong, Foreign Minister: Good morning, Karl. Look, it's you know we feel humbled, and grateful, and really conscious of the responsibility and privilege Australians have given us, and we will work every day to repay that trust.

Stefanovic: Was there a specific moment on the night when you knew you'd won, when you turned to someone and said, this is ours.

Foreign Minister: Well, I think I was with the Prime Minister and obviously we were looking at a lot of the results and frankly, the result became much clearer, much quicker than I thought it would. Because what we saw, really, is that the Liberal Party is not the party of middle Australia. The cities and the suburbs of Australia looked at Peter Dutton, looked at the Liberal Party, and said, look, you're not in touch with the life I'm living. You're not in touch with the things that are hard for me, the things that I want. You're not in touch with my values. And very comprehensively across the country, we saw, particularly our cities and our suburbs, the Liberals hold such a small fraction of the seats within metropolitan Australia. They just don't represent middle Australia.

Stefanovic: What did you say to each other when you knew you'd won?

Foreign Minister: I think I gave him a hug.

Stefanovic: Pretty emotional?

Foreign Minister: It's always emotional. It's a big thing isn't it? I mean, it's a big thing to form government. It's a big thing to be given that responsibility and the honour of forming government by the Australian people. It's a humbling moment, and we carry that with us. And as the Prime Minister said, we're back to work and we will work every day to repay this trust.

Stefanovic: Okay, let's get on with it. A couple of quick-fire election questions for you. Is Tanya still on the front bench after that air kiss?

Foreign Minister: Tanya, as the PM has said, will be a senior cabinet minister, he's made that clear.

Stefanovic: Does Chris Bowen need some time off the bench?

Foreign Minister: I think Chris is, remember, Chris when we first came to government, had to deal with a gas crisis, an energy crisis, where as a result of where we'd been, we had real reliability and supply problems. He's doing, and has done, an excellent job. What happens to people's portfolios is at the privilege of the Prime Minister. He's made some indication about a number of us in the leadership group and in senior portfolios, who will continue in our current jobs but the rest is up to him.

Stefanovic: Will you stay a full term?

Foreign Minister: Yes, I will. And in fact, the size of this victory and the prospect of a third-term Labor Government, it looks pretty good.

Stefanovic: You'll stay in that portfolio?

Foreign Minister: I want to. And the Prime Minister's indicated that me, Richard, Don Farrell, Katy and Jim will stay where we are. And we're really appreciative, all of us, of the opportunity and the trust he's shown in us.

Stefanovic: Will the PM stay a full term?

Foreign Minister: He's said so. And I think –

Stefanovic: And then some?

Foreign Minister: It's a pretty funny thing to ask. Yeah exactly, and then some. I think it's a pretty funny thing to ask given what we saw on Saturday.

Stefanovic: I mean, everyone's happy with that? Jim's alright with that?

Foreign Minister: I think Jim's answered this very clearly. He's made the point, what an honour it is for all of us to serve as senior ministers in a Labor Government. And the Prime Minister leads this Government, and this opportunity that we all have is as much down to him as it is to the Australian people.

Stefanovic: Alright, more importantly, Trump's tariffs loom pretty large, as you would know. Will you help sandbag the Australian film industry? If so, what might that look like? Because there's a great deal of understandable nervousness inside that industry.

Foreign Minister: Absolutely. And I think that there's also the reality, isn't there, which is we do a lot of work with the American film industry. And there's a lot of films, Australian actors in American films, Australian crews working on US films, films filmed here in Australia, which are collaborations between American studios and Australian companies. So, these tariffs really don't reflect the reality of the cooperation and collaboration between our countries. So, we'll obviously be putting that view to the US administration. I did hear as I was driving in this morning, President Trump on the radio saying that he was going to have a discussion with the studios, and we think that's a good thing.

Stefanovic: Okay, meantime, the Greens here say they're still carrying a stick in the Senate. You'll still need to listen to them. It's more like a toothpick with a cocktail onion now, don't you think?

Foreign Minister: I wonder if I can use that line. Do you think I can use that line in the Senate with them? Karl, what do you reckon?

Stefanovic: You can quote me anytime you want.

Foreign Minister: 'As Karl said'. See how that goes down? It might work, might not. Look, one of the things about Saturday, Karl, is I think Australians rejected the politics of conflict and the politics of grievance. And, unfortunately, Adam Bandt in some ways is quite like Peter Dutton. It's the same conflict, it's the same, frankly, sometimes quite aggressive, and the same politics of protest and grievance. And I think Australians have comprehensively rejected that. And my suggestion to Adam Bandt is perhaps he should consider what message Australians sent to all of us in the Parliament.

Stefanovic: He may not be there. Look, you mentioned the Voice during the campaign as well, Penny. I listened to it and you clearly weren't saying you were going to go back to it, but it was seized upon, as you know. Did you worry at any point that you'd made a mistake to the party?

Foreign Minister: You know me, Karl, I'm always hard on myself, aren't I? And, of course, you always worry about giving your opponent the opportunity to have a go. But can I say, I think what it demonstrated was what I said at the start – Peter Dutton's reflexes, the Liberal Party's desire to get into the culture wars, is part of them not being where middle Australia is at. People were concerned about Medicare, people were concerned about cost of living, people were concerned about tax cuts. People were concerned about schools and hospitals and bulk billing, fee-free TAFE. People were concerned about making sure, in an uncertain world, where we see a lot of change globally, that steady leadership would be required. That's what Australians wanted to see. They weren't interested in the Peter Dutton Liberal Party culture wars.

Stefanovic: That's definitely a no, then? You're not going to be pursuing that?

Foreign Minister: We've made that clear, the Australian people have made that clear, the Voice is gone.

Stefanovic: Okay, I suppose you don't care about the Liberal leadership, why would you? But Gina Rinehart is saying the country needs to move to the right, more Trump-like. How do you respond?

Foreign Minister: Ms Rinehart has been very public about those views for some time but I think Australians spoke on Saturday.

Stefanovic: Penny, always good to talk to you. Thank you so much, and best of luck with the job ahead.

Foreign Minister: Great to speak with you. I'll try the cocktail line.